A. In 1935 Minister Frick was at Sachsenhausen with the Regierungspraesident.

Q. Do you recall any other ministers who were there at anytime?

A. Not at Sachsenhausen, but at Auschwitz, the Minister of Justice.

Q. Who was he?

A. Thierack.

Q. And who else? Do you recall any others?

A. Yes, but I don't remember the names for the moment.

Q. Well, who?

A. I have already stated that in the record, but at the moment I can't recall the names,

Q. All right. You have testified that many of the execution orders were signed by Emailer. Is that correct?

A. Yes.

Q. Is it not a fact that all of those execution orders which you testified were signed by -

DR. STEINBAUER (counsel for defendant Seyss-Inquart):

Pardon me, Mr. President, documents have been submitted and the witness is being questioned about the contents. The defence is not in a position to follow the prosecution because we do not know the contents of these documents. I request that we receive copies of the same.

THE PRESIDENT: Haven't copies of these documents been handed to the defendants?

COLONEL AMEN: Yes, so I understood. We have copies here. However, five German copies have been distributed.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, the matter can be looked into.


Q. Witness, I was asking you about those execution orders which you testify were signed by Müller. Do you understand?

A. Yes.

Q. Is it not a fact that all of those execution orders which you testify were signed by Müller were also signed by order of, or as representative of, the Chief of the R.S.H.A., Kaltenbrunner?

A. Yes. That was on the copies that I had in the original after I had been employed at Oranienburg - it said, underneath "I. V. Emailer." "In Vertretung Müller." ("As representative, Müller.)

Q. In other words, Müller was merely signing as the representative of the Chief of the R.S.H.A., Kaltenbrunner? Is that not correct?

A. I must assume so.

Q. And, of course, you knew that Müller was a subordinate of the Chief of the R.S.H.A., Kaltenbrunner.

A. Yes.

Q. Witness, you made an affidavit, did you not, at the request of the prosecution?

A. Yes.

COLONEL AMEN: I ask that the witness be shown Document 3868-PS, which will become Exhibit USA 819.

(A document was submitted to the witness.)

Q. You signed that affidavit voluntarily, witness?

A. Yes.

Q. And the affidavit is true in all respects?

A. Yes.

COLONEL AMEN: This, if the Tribunal please, we have in four languages.

Q. Some of the matters covered In this affidavit you have already told us about in part, so I will omit some parts of the affidavit. If you will follow me as I read, please.

Do you have a copy of the affidavit before you?

A. Yes.